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Shakil Choudhury is an author, award-winning educator and consultant with more than 20 years experience in the field of diversity and inclusion. He has trained senior leaders across sectors and developed measurement tools for organizations, helping improve their diversity outcomes. Internationally, Shakil has designed and led peace-building projects for communities in conflict, specifically in Europe and South America.

Shakil is the senior partner in Anima Leadership, a company of consultants, trainers and coaches offering services for individuals, teams and organizations in support of transformative change. A main concept behind Anima is that when people are in environments where they matter and belong, the extraordinary becomes possible.

With Shakil’s book, Deep Diversity: Overcoming Us vs. Them, his goal is to help people, regardless of identity, have a conversation about racism and discrimination and bring hope to this topic that can feel so ultimately despairing. Using a compassionate but challenging approach, Deep Diversity helps identify the racial blindspots we all possess and offers practical solutions about how to break habits we’ve learned in order to tackle systemic discrimination.

Paul was excited to sit down with Shakil at the Centre for Social Innovation and discuss the many fascinating ideas found in Deep Diversity.

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